"Yeah, there are lots of safe ways to just knock someone out. Sleep spells, monsters that can paralyze, just hitting someone hard enough... This one was supposed to slowly freeze her to death, though! The nasty bastard wanted us to rush in hastily to save her and make a lot of dumb decisions."

So, sort of a hostage situation.

"...We made a few dumb choices. Like flying a regular boat full of bombs back over the whirlpool without a way to safely stop it. Our healer tried to get in a physical fight with Hadlar, I used up all my magic power trying to get Leona out of that coffin and I couldn't even do it! Dai got blood in his eyes and then just kept on fighting blind, which actually turned out to be the best way to win, but man! I just about had a heart attack when he pulled that one."

Popp ticks off incidents on his fingers one handed, because the other one is toasting the perfect marshmallow, and then gives up on counting them off because he has a dessert sandwich to assemble.